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Organic: The Debate Rages On

2009_08_19-organic.jpgA couple of weeks ago, we mentioned a British study claiming that organic food is no more nutritious than conventionally grown food. After the news broke, a rousing debate emerged in newspaper columns and Web sites. What are your thoughts on this issue?

 
 

How it all started: A review commissioned by the British Food Standards Agency examined food nutrient levels and the health benefits of eating organic food. The study, which was conducted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, indicated that "there are no important differences in the nutrition content, or any additional health benefits, of organic food when compared with conventionally produced food."

The debate: Areas of debate have included the original subject of nutrition, the additional issue of pesticide content, and other topics related to agriculture, such as production methods and sustainability.

• Prominent voices in the debate have included Grist's Tom Philpott, who cited studies showing that organic foods have fewer nitrates and more antioxidants, and Ezra Klein from The Washington Post, who remained skeptical. Philpott then published a second piece on the subject of pesticides, soil, and nutrition. Klein maintained that nutrition might not be an issue, but conceded that "the evidence that organics are good for the environment, and the soil in particular, is very compelling."

• Civil Eats, among others, attempted to point out flaws in the British study, citing contradictory results from other studies and discussing the links between government and agriculture.

• New Scientist said the initial study "missed the point" and went on to discuss other issues related to conventional versus organic agriculture, such as pesticides, energy use, and soil erosion.

• Meanwhile, Russ Parsons at the Los Angeles Times brought up the complexity of issues related to farming after making the provocative statement, "I don't believe in organics".

• And last week, The Chicago Tribune reported on pesticides and peaches, finding that U.S. Department of Agriculture tests showed "more than 50 pesticide compounds on domestic and imported peaches headed for U.S. stores."

Our thoughts: Regardless of the study's accuracy regarding nutrition, we'll continue to buy organic fruits and vegetables, though not exclusively. Our reasons for supporting organic include environmental sustainability and protection for soil, water, and farm workers. Yet, we may also buy non-organic produce if it means supporting a local farmer or business. We're still sorting through all the various viewpoints; the issues are complex and fascinating.

Your thoughts: Where do you stand? Why do you buy organic – or not? Has the British study or any of the ensuing debate affected your opinion?

Related: Conscientious Cook: What Should You Buy Organic?

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When it comes to meat and dairy, absolutely. When it comes to vegetables, we try to get them from the farmers market.

posted by katiewalker on August 19th 2009 at 3:37pm
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I grow organic because it tastes so much better than anything available in the grocery store. I like the flavorful organic meats and chickens far more than anything from the factory feedlots. Meat tastes like meat and not a flavorless hunk of leather. Whenever financially possible, I go organic. If the flavor is superior, then the nutrient content follows.

posted by lona on August 19th 2009 at 3:47pm
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It's not like this is the first study to show that organically grown vegetables are no more nutritious than conventionally grown vegetables. Vitamin content of a given fruit or vegetable is set by genetics, not by soil. Mineral content is determined by soil and is slightly higher in organically grown vegetables, but it is not considered nutritionally significant.

posted by frum on August 19th 2009 at 3:53pm
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Nutrition may well be the same but the amount of chemicals you are putting into your body is not. By not taking this into consideration, its very misleading information.

posted by designerny on August 19th 2009 at 3:58pm
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Once my daughter began eating solids, I found that I slowly shifted my food dollars on organic produce and meats than I did in the past. To me, it isn't necessarily what's in the produce as in my opinion, any fruit or vegetable is better an none, but rather what isn't in them. This means we eat less meat, chicken and fish than what we used to but I think the quality of our food is much better. This despite having my salary cut 15% this past year and my husband getting laid off and out of work for 3 months earlier this year. What we feed our family is just non-negotiable.

posted by rosebud on August 19th 2009 at 3:58pm
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New Scientist has it right -- nutrutionally they might not be much different, no. but with conventionally grown, you're getting added pesticides, which the Trib showed.

the problem is that Americans should be eating more fruits and vegetables in general, regardless of organic/non-organic.

as for myself, I go local first, then organic. price is generally not a factor, unless the organic vs. non-organic in the supermarket is 3x the price.

posted by any such name on August 19th 2009 at 4:36pm
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My first thought was whether they compared the exact same variety of each type of produce. Aren't certain species bred to withstand the chemicals conventional farmers use? Seems to me that an heirloom variety would have a totally different nutritional content. I wrote more about it here.

posted by ladidi on August 19th 2009 at 4:40pm
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I will not go out of my way to buy Certified Organic.

I prefer to buy foods for home that are organically grown though. If they are grown without pesticides on farms that's good enough for me.

Certified Organic can still apply to factory farmed, imported, meats and vegetables. I like the idea of eating food from real farms.

I eat foods that are across the board but am trying to focus in on foods that come from sustainable, pesticide and chemical free farms. But they don't have to carry a stamp. If the operation is small enough I can trust the farmer.

posted by art on August 19th 2009 at 4:52pm
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I don't worry about buying organic foods. Frankly, they're too costly for someone on a strict budget. I agree there's no nutritional difference, although of course pesticides are the primary reason people care so much about organic v. non-organic anyway.

posted by seidhr on August 19th 2009 at 5:26pm
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there is no such thing as a pesticide/chemical free farm, only the type of pesticides/chemicals used. the more "natural" pesticides do not last as long so they actually spray them more often, in turn, using more energy.

personally, i think it's everyone's own choice whether or not to go organic but i could do without the dirty looks like i'm filling my body with poison when i don't. i have been eating non organic for 26 years and so far i haven't grown an extra arm or anything less drastic because of it.

posted by jenn_y on August 19th 2009 at 6:33pm
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I've stopped worry about organic vs. non-organic. I try to buy all my produce and meats at the farmer's market, where things are raised locally and sustainably. I would prefer pesticide and synthetic fertilizer free, as I do not want to contribute to the pollution and contamination of our resources.

posted by adiaphane on August 19th 2009 at 6:46pm
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I am a vegetarian and I subscribe to a local certified organic CSA. While organic would be the ideal for me, in terms of environment not nutrition, I also am the bread winner of my house hold so I have to be mindful of my budget. I usually do pretty well with the CSA but it's more veggies than fruit. So for fruit, it comes down to cost, so non-organic usually wins that one.

Luckily, the Organic 100% Whole Wheat pasta at the grocery store is usually on sale and that's as far as I try to go for packaged foods.

posted by graciela on August 19th 2009 at 6:56pm
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I buy organic things if they are accessible and reasonably priced, but most things I purchase are not organic.

My reaction when I heard this on the local news was that people buy organic for all sorts of reasons - because they taste better, no pesticides, environmental reasons, etc. - not necessarily because they thought they had more nutrients. I don't think this study is going to change anyone's shopping habits.

posted by jamiealyse on August 19th 2009 at 7:10pm
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I strive to eat local as much as possible. I aim for organics but will likely choose a local, conventionally produced food over an imported organic food. I'm lucky though, I have two farmers markets a week to choose from, and that's only including those I can ride my bike to.

posted by 7yler on August 19th 2009 at 7:36pm
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As a biologist, I've read the studies, and I've seen what the pesticides do to the environment. Most pesticides (not all, but most) are water soluble, meaning they rinse off. You give your fruit & veggies a good washing, you will get almost every last bit of them off your food, so for me, it's a lot less about that, and more about 1. the audacity of these companies to say that their chemicals are not harmful to animals, the environment, or humans; 2. the audacity of these companies to essentially plant board members on the EPA (no longer) so that their products are approved; 3. the health of the environment. I as an individual can't do much, but I can vote with my money and spend it on organics and local, no-spray CSAs and other farmers and not on conventional farmed items.

posted by subtlefrog on August 19th 2009 at 7:39pm
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I buy organic when it's an available option. I wish it was the norm, but we're not there yet.

posted by chez shoes on August 19th 2009 at 9:18pm
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I never buy organic. The only thing I generally try to support is antibiotic-free animal husbandry, since the abuse of antibiotics is a critical public health issue. Produce might taste a little better when organic, and I can see free-range diets greatly improving the taste of the animal's meat, milk/eggs, etc., but most of the time the expense is just not worth it.

Partly, that's because whenever I see organic produce, it seems like such a snobbish expression of Western privilege. Without the agricultural revolution introduced by synthetic fertilizers, soil would long ago have been exhausted of nutrients, current world populations would be unsustainable, and the poor would be even hungrier. I'm actually quite thankful about the industrialization of agriculture, since it allows for the cities and lifestyles we all enjoy today in the Western world, so I'm all for supporting conventional farming with its supplements and newly bred, industrial-friendly varietals.

posted by suchire on August 20th 2009 at 12:46am
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I second the argument of suchire. I think that while the original idea of organic food was good, the actual implementation isn't. Actually, it has become much more of a fad.
*Many organic foods are produced in large farms. Organic foods are being industrialized.
*Organic doesn't mean no pesticides/no fertilizers. It simply means organic pesticides/ and fertilizers. And sometimes those organic products are more harmful to the environment.
*There is not enough land in this planet to support organic agriculture. A switch towards organic farming would just starve people to death. If you think about it, if more land needs to be used to produce, is it really reducing our footprint?
* And quite frankly, the taste thing it's most in our brains. It is only a label. I have had organic fruits that are simply tasteless.

I just saw the Penn & Teller B*it TV program about organic food. It's worth taking a look. They argument is that organic food is becoming more of a religion based on faith.

posted by trovas on August 20th 2009 at 9:29am
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I completely disagree with the two opinions above me. I just graduated with an emphasis in Sustainable Agriculture (so bear with me!), but the opinion that organic agriculture is an elitist idea is contradictory, considering that traditional agriculture (you know, what generations before GMOs and the Green Revolution did...aka thousands of years of agriculture) were organic. Of course the prices of organic foods are higher, but that is because conventional foods are heavily subsidized by government (thus you aren't actually paying the true value of the food, and THAT is the giant issue of international trade injustices and poverty..we are importing conventional foods from foreign farmers that are being paid pennies. And we enjoy the luxuries of the Western world because we engage in these completely unfair practices).
The irony of the criticism that soils would become infertile, world populations unstable, and the poor hungrier is exactly what is happening right now. The Green Revolution that brought on these industrial practices was a quick fix and completely unsustainable.
I agree with the opinion that organic agriculture is no longer matching its ideals, but again that is because large, industrial agricultural businesses have realized that there is a ton of money in organic foods. These businesses are accustomed to efficiency and making as much money as possible, not the wellness and future fertility of the land.

My argument against conventional farming is the big unknowns about these practices: we don't yet understand the repercussions of digesting pesticides and GMOs. I try to buy as much organic as possible, but it is expensive. However, I have found that the most expensive things in my shopping cart are typically processed foods, and once I eliminate many of these, I can actually buy all organic and pay less than I would have originally.

posted by wjwinsor on August 20th 2009 at 2:29pm
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Elitist is not contradictory with traditional. After all, traditional agriculture happened to support cultures in which the average lifespan of a person was
As a side point about GMOs: for consumers, they are safe. It's just altered DNA, you consume massive amounts of foreign DNA every time you eat a once-living thing (plant or animal). To the consumer, GMOs are the same as bred organisms. The only concern I can possibly see is ecological side effects of cross pollination, but that's not a consumer safety issue as much as it is an environmental issue.

Most pesticides in use are probably safe, but I agree, there are probably more effects than we know about. But again, these pesticides are regulated, and are almost always water soluble, and so wash off easily. In reference to the above, GMOs can allow for safer pesticides by expanding the range of available substances for use, allowing the crops to resist previously unusable pesticides.

posted by suchire on August 24th 2009 at 1:54pm
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